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The 4-Way: Check, Please

By: The 4-Way Panel (View Profile)

Dear 4-Way,

I’m a single woman in my late thirties, which means I’ve been dating for about twenty years. Over the past few years or so, I’ve noticed that when men ask me out, they expect me to pay for half of the date. I’m all for offering to chip in on later dates, but I’ve kind of always gone by the rule that for a first date, the asker does the paying. Am I being ridiculously old-fashioned? Does it mean something if they ask me if I want to split the bill with them—perhaps they’ve already decided I’m not worthy of a second date? If I ask a man to have drinks or dinner with me, I expect and intend to pay, though about 75 percent of the time, he won’t let me and he ends up paying. I have girlfriends who are more rigid about this than me; they never offer to pay. Who’s right?—DR, Austin, Texas

The straight man’s perspective: Chris Kennedy

Twenty years of marriage and you get china. Twenty years of dating and you can’t even get Chinese food without paying your half of the bill. Dim sum tough facts, DR.

You’re correct and I agree, the asker should pay for the whole meal and the askee should offer. If the guy wants to go Dutch without telling you so beforehand, tell him to go on a long walk in wooden clogs.

It reflects well on you that you offer to pay and you deserve a guy who appreciates this. By comparison your friends who NEVER even OFFER to pay, well, they should get used to being single with rules like that.

If a guy can’t afford to pay for a whole dinner, then he shouldn’t ask you to dinner. There are less expensive dating options: drinks, coffee, a hike. It requires a little more thought, but these options are just as viable as a dinner date. After all, food is the way to a man’s heart, not a woman’s, right?

So, DR, you deserve a guy who asks you to dinner and holds up his end of the deal and pays. When he does, I suggest you buy him an after-dinner drink if the date continues. This isn’t necessary but I think it’s endearing, fair, and respectful.

In the future, if a guy asks you out to dinner but asks you to pay half, then YOU can consider him unworthy for a second date.

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posted: 02.25.2008
Sunshowers
Totally agree with the 4-Way. If if were the other way around and I asked a guy out on a date, I'd do so fully expecting to pay, and leave bill-splitting for subsequent dates.
posted: 04.16.2007
Veronica Kavanagh
My rule of thumb is that the person asking pays, although it never hurts to offer to pick up the tip. I am not in favor of expensive first dates anyway. Too much pressure and expectation, not enough fun. One of my best first dates ever was at a hole in the wall chinese restaurant followed by a long walk to the water. We sat on a retaining wall and saw a shooting star. A great memory and not a wallet buster, either.
posted: 04.14.2007
Whitney Hayes
If the guy can't pay he shouldn't SAY: "Will you have dinner with me?" I'm all for the guy paying on the first date and every date thereafter.
posted: 04.13.2007
Dayna Shaw
First a shout out to the 4-Way Panel: Wooden shoes. A lunch offer in Austin. The manners his mamma gave him. An unfiltered Marlboro and a shot of Wild Turkey. I am seriously enjoying how the 4 of you express yourselves. I've been in Mizz Austin's shoes (not wooden, of course), and agree that it's disheartening and deflating when the guy goes all cheap on you. Where is the romance in "wanna split the bill?". Even modern gals like the romance in the guy acting like a gentleman. She spends time getting ready, getting her make-up just so, picking out the right dress/shoes/necklace/perfume -- it just seems like the guy could play his part by ponying up for at least a drink or a pizza or something that he can afford on the first date. The same people that are running after Rebecca will probably run after me for saying as much, but that's my straight, single gal response for what it's worth!
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