The 4-Way: Check, Please

By: The 4-Way Panel (View Profile)

The straight woman’s perspective: Rebecca Brown

I wish I smoked right now. Because I’d take a nice long drag on an unfiltered Marlboro, maybe take a couple of shots of Wild Turkey, and then in my best gravely, veteran-dater voice say, “Oh, honey, don’t I know it!” I struggle with this question all the time. I feel like I’m the least equipped of the four of us to give you sound advice since it sounds like we’re in the same dating space, but here goes. I agree with you, the asker should pay, regardless of whether the asker is male or female. But for whatever reason, I don’t do much asking, so to be fair, I try to suggest something that’s checking account-friendly for everyone when making plans.

But I have a horrible confession to make, one that I’m sure will mortify my other 4-Way compadres as well as any woman who considers herself a feminist and modern woman. I secretly hope that they’ll pay on a first date. (What’s that rumbling noise? The women … are … coming for me! And the men too!) I absolutely believe that women should have all the same opportunities as men, and this—for better or worse—includes paying for dates. But not a first date. Sorry. I’ll probably get angry email for saying this, but there it is.

I really appreciate the gesture of someone who wants to treat me to something that he thinks we’ll enjoy doing together. There’s no rule that says people have to drop a ton of cash on dates. I eat just fine on my own; I don’t need an expensive dinner. What I would love is to enjoy something interesting and fun that exists outside the “let’s have dinner” box with this new person who’s got my heart racing. It doesn’t have to cost a lot—we could have a picnic, go to an art gallery, or even get some cheap bleacher seats for a baseball game (truly one of the best places to get to know someone).

I also don’t think it means there’s no interest if he or she asks you to split it. Asking someone to pay is essentially them putting their beliefs on the table—“I don’t think I need to pay for all of this”—and unfortunately for that person, you don’t agree with that particular belief and probably won’t be in a big hurry to go out again.

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posted: 02.25.2008
Sunshowers
Totally agree with the 4-Way. If if were the other way around and I asked a guy out on a date, I'd do so fully expecting to pay, and leave bill-splitting for subsequent dates.
posted: 04.16.2007
Veronica Kavanagh
My rule of thumb is that the person asking pays, although it never hurts to offer to pick up the tip. I am not in favor of expensive first dates anyway. Too much pressure and expectation, not enough fun. One of my best first dates ever was at a hole in the wall chinese restaurant followed by a long walk to the water. We sat on a retaining wall and saw a shooting star. A great memory and not a wallet buster, either.
posted: 04.14.2007
Whitney Hayes
If the guy can't pay he shouldn't SAY: "Will you have dinner with me?" I'm all for the guy paying on the first date and every date thereafter.
posted: 04.13.2007
Dayna Shaw
First a shout out to the 4-Way Panel: Wooden shoes. A lunch offer in Austin. The manners his mamma gave him. An unfiltered Marlboro and a shot of Wild Turkey. I am seriously enjoying how the 4 of you express yourselves. I've been in Mizz Austin's shoes (not wooden, of course), and agree that it's disheartening and deflating when the guy goes all cheap on you. Where is the romance in "wanna split the bill?". Even modern gals like the romance in the guy acting like a gentleman. She spends time getting ready, getting her make-up just so, picking out the right dress/shoes/necklace/perfume -- it just seems like the guy could play his part by ponying up for at least a drink or a pizza or something that he can afford on the first date. The same people that are running after Rebecca will probably run after me for saying as much, but that's my straight, single gal response for what it's worth!
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